Why Turkish F4 was Shot Down…..

Perhaps many of you are aware that Syrian forces recently shot-down a Turkish Air Force F4 Phantom fighter. Leaving aside why on earth Turkey is flying a 60-yr-old fighter aircraft, and doing so at 200 feet altitude over a nation busily shooting all its citizens (subjects?), why would Turkey do that?

The 2012 Turkish AF is the third-largest in NATO, with an active strength of 60,000 personnel, and 232 F-16s. They have so many F-16s that they export them (Turkey builds F-16s under license) to Egypt. They also are a partner in the F-35 program, America’s newest fighter aircraft program, and have agreed to purchase 116 of them. Turkey also flies the F-5 (another Cold War relic exported by the US for decades), and several variants of the F-4, although one fewer than last week.

If you’re going to conduct armed reconnaissance over a war zone, wouldn’t you normally use your top-of-the-line aircraft rather than the oldest of your entire – large – fleet? And, if you ARE going to use your oldest jets, why are you going to fly them at 200′? (If Turkey can build and buy F16s and F35s, they can afford cameras good enough to grab whatever photos they want from higher altitudes…)

So, again, why did Turkey fly this Cold War relic jet over Syria and at only 200′, just begging to be shot-down by a Syrian military on high alert, indeed, actively engaged in hostilities?

Perhaps some derelict islamist (like there is any other kind…) recognized the NATO Article 5 requirement re: “…an armed attack against one or more [NATO members] shall be considered an attack against them all…,” wanted to embroil NATO in Syria to the detriment of NATO and, particularly the US and Britain, to reduce-to-zero whatever reputation the Anglosphere has remaining in muslim nations (probably working for Barack “I can be more flexible after my election” Obama, with a “reset” Russia on the side) to ensure Syria becomes a real mess – to the point of Obama requesting that Russia introduce forces (“…NATO remains bogged down in Afghanistan and great nations have a ‘responsibility to protect‘ so we’ve asked our Russian partners in the region…”) as an October surprise…. assuring a “more flexible” Obama is re-elected (America has never changed leaders during wartime), giving all of the ME to the islamists (as Obama already has lost Egypt to the islamists) with Russia as the sole superpower in the region

… but perhaps I am just a conspiracy theorist….

About Alex Scipio

About Alex Scipio: Alex moved out of the People's Republic of California to the Free State of Arizona, finally tiring of the lack of the Bill of Rights, the overgrown idiocracy, and the catering to non-Americans & welfare recipients. He still wonders how America got from Truman, Eisenhower, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan to the Liberal and Conservative extremes so badly managing America today. And, yes, islam DOES need to be annihilated. And doing what he can to get folks away from the extremes of political life.
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7 Responses to Why Turkish F4 was Shot Down…..

  1. Cranest says:

    Alex I left ya a reply with your other link on Syria and Russia. Hope you think its good.

  2. Marcel says:

    The rather large F4-E is a hard target not to miss.
    Maybe the Turks doubting Russian weapons systems abilities were helping to give better odds to the Pantsir-S1 for a sure hit ?

    It’s possible the bigger picture here is Turkey God is setting a trap for the checkers player in the White House ?

    “Behold, I will make you small among the nations;
    You shall be greatly despised.
    The pride of your heart has deceived you,
    You who dwell in the clefts of the rock,
    Whose habitation is high;
    You who say in your heart, ‘Who will bring me down to the ground?’
    Though you ascend as high as the eagle,
    And though you set your nest among the stars,
    From there I will bring you down,” says the Lord.


  3. Scott says:

    Interesting. However I think it would be a big miscalculation. Turkey has always been a buffer or bridge between the East and West. Unfortunately, over the last few years they have starting moving more into fundamentalism and identifying with the East. If someone forces Turkey into a war with a country in the Middle East that can only cause it to identify with Europe more (like it used to) which is a very good thing for us.

    It’s not getting much press, but the creeping change in Turkey from being a major stabilizing force in the region that considered itself European to a Islamist state with a huge military is a troubling thing.

    Turkey vs. Middle East = Western world wins no matter what.

  4. Alex Scipio says:

    @Cranest: Thanks for your comment. If you have a moment, I’d be interested in your thoughts on this post published last week…: http://inthisdimension.com/2012/06/18/why-is-putin-involved-in-syria/

  5. Cranest says:

    An Interesting theory. Although I’ve heard worse conspiracies, this one has the potential to be actually true. I wouldn’t doubt anything you said. I also wouldn’t doubt that Russia is eagerly awaiting any chance to test itself against the US since losing the Cold War. Turkey on the other hand is the fourth largest military in the world, and is annoyed that they are ignored as a regional superpower and soon to be if left alone, global mini power. Turkey wants to also try out its might to show the world they mean business too. This is interesting and should be watched for several weeks as to what do the Turks, Russians and Syrians do. Also watch Israel in the coming weeks too, great distraction off of Iran to attack them while all the world is watching Syria. Just saying.

  6. Alex Scipio says:

    @Barry – hmmm… Cold War… 1945 (or so) until 1989 (or so)…. and I referred to the F4 as a “Cold War relic”. Yet you point-out to me that I’m a “knucklehead” because I don’t recognize tha the F4 was designed, built, and reached end-of-life during … the Cold War? Trust me – I learned all about the F4 as a Cadet at USAFA during Vietnam.

  7. Barry says:

    Apparently you are too much of a knucklehead to check that the Phantom first flight was in 1958 and in production until 1978.

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